Whoops, apologies to Anton. I just noticed that he was quoting and
debunking someone else’s interpretations. My faith in normality is
restored… Mike
On 23/04/2018 08:59, xxxxx@sintefex.com wrote:
I just dipped into the ntdev stream to see how things are going and
was surprised to see Anton talking nonsense about the universe (which
contrasts with his normal forensic exactitude on software matters). He
says “…short[ly] before this happens, the other one can photograph
information which is instantaneously seen on the photographic plate 2
light years away”.He doesn’t mention the frame of reference of the viewer. Any event
that takes place in two different locations which are always before or
always after each other must do so in all frames. The sort of
instantaneousness and whether something is before or after that Anton
describes would be different in different frames. So he is talking
about an event at one location that happens before an event that
triggers it at the other location as seen from someone’s frame of
reference. It could be very useful to send information that takes
negative time of course and may be a useful computer upgrade, but it
suggests a rather different universe to the one we have to live with.My relativity and quantum mechanical knowledge is rather rusty of
course - it is useful to get a top-up from ntdev.Mike
Mike Kemp, Technical Director, Sintefex Audio, Lda
On 23/04/2018 04:57, xxxxx@hotmail.com wrote:
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> Just let the two entangled light beams go into opposite directions and let them travel for one light year each before one of them hits the photographic plate. Then short before this happens, the other one can photograph information which is instantaneously seen on the photographic plate 2 light years away.
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> Unfortunately, my educational level is insufficient for discussing something as complex as quantum mechanics. However, the very first question that gets into my head is “What happens if one of these photons gets into a black hole?”
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> According to the General Theory of Relativity, nothing that has had a misfortune of passing a black hole’s event horizon has a chance of ever escaping it. This applies not only to macroscopic objects and particles with mass but also to light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation.
> Therefore, once nothing can escape it, any observer outside the event horizon has no way of ever discovering what happens behind it - if he is so curious about the whole thing his only option is to cross the event horizon and experience the black hole firsthand. Taking into consideration that
> (again, according to General Theory of Relativity) he has no chance of either returning or at least communicating this experience to world outside the event horizon anyway, the whole thing is comparable to committing a suicide for the sole purpose of satisfying one’s “scientific curiosity” about the afterlife’s existence.
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> However, if quantum entanglement works the way you believe it does, then the whole thing seems to add basically new perspectives. In such case a photon does not really need to leave the event horizon in order to be able to “communicate the experience” - its entangled “twin” gives an outside observer a chance not only to learn about its fate but, probably, even to take the pictures of “black hole internals”…
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> In other words, it looks like we are turning the entire physics foundations upside down
> (as well as risking to provoke “not-so-favourable” reaction from “The Hanging Judge”)…
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> Anton Bassov
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