Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.

I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
own thread.

I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
requirement.

Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
about having third party developers use these tools for driver
development.

Mark Roddy

Since you already ship 3 different versions, could you not build the XP version in the w7 kit and the Vista/win7/win8 versions in the w8 kit?

d

debt from my phone

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roddy
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:27 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.

I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
own thread.

I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
requirement.

Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
about having third party developers use these tools for driver
development.

Mark Roddy


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In general I do not use two different tool chains on the same source
code base for the same product release. I do not want to have to worry
about the differences in code generation between one compiler and
another, or the complexity of having to deal with different build
methods for different versions.

My current build system builds everything from user mode on down using
the same toolchain for all product versions. Currently, unless
compelled to do otherwise, we will stick with the tools that can do
that.

Mark Roddy

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Doron Holan wrote:
> Since you already ship 3 different versions, could you not build the XP version in the w7 kit and the Vista/win7/win8 versions in the w8 kit?
>
> d
>
> debt from my phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Roddy
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:27 AM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.
>
>
> I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
> own thread.
>
> I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
> management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
> system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
> drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
> here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
> our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
> version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
> desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
> requirement.
>
> Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
> before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
> about having third party developers use these tools for driver
> development.
>
>
> Mark Roddy
>
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> drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use

here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future.

+100

Here at StorageCraft we cannot even abandon w2k for now. So, 6001.18002.


Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

Doron,

Trying to maintain two tool sets is a great way to create a
disaster. Even the minor changes needed is sources from the Vista WDK
to the Win7 WDK caused major pain for at least one of my clients who
wanted to use the “best tools” but still needs W2k support. They
finally threw out the Win7 WDK.

Don Burn
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr

“Doron Holan” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev:

> Since you already ship 3 different versions, could you not build the XP version in the w7 kit and the Vista/win7/win8 versions in the w8 kit?
>
> d
>
> debt from my phone
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Roddy
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 8:27 AM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.
>
>
> I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
> own thread.
>
> I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
> management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
> system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
> drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
> here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
> our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
> version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
> desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
> requirement.
>
> Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
> before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
> about having third party developers use these tools for driver
> development.
>
>
> Mark Roddy
>
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As a data-point the path I am headed down is to put in place parallel projects based on VS11/WDK8 that are side-by-side with the existing projects.

It will be a maintenance issue to manage changes to both the SOURCES/DIRS and *.vcproj/*.vsprops files but for the most part in the projects I am managing these have long been ‘static’ anyway. The intersection is only in code assets (libraries) that need to build per-platform and that codebase is already riddled with affordances to target multiple platforms with varying construction tools (NT5, NT6, CE, and a couple of ‘dark-side’ targets). It seems as though adding in the new VS11/WDK8 projects to build those aspects that need to share to future WIN8 specific is inevitable and unavoidable.

I will also provide an ‘alternate’ (for comparision and test only) set of targets building the NT6 code as a way of comparing the toolset with the current amalgamation of VS8+DDKBUILD+WDK. When we finally play the bagpipes for XP, maybe I will be able to sunset that tool-chain. It was only two years ago that I sunset the VS6+DDKBUILD+DDK support when (exasperated roll of eyes) we finally dropped W2K support.

It seems to me that we non-redmondtonians have a much longer tail to consider and thus a much slower head adoption rate. Who other than MSFT is build product *only* for Win8?

Without a doubt the stuff is cool and a ton of work went into it. The productivity enhancements are going to be real.

And in the end, I see that soon after VS11 & WDK8 go live for producing redistributable code, the solution in my shop will be to have VS11 based projects with the WDK7 targets building just the way they do today - using DDKBUILD.BAT (thanks Mark) and the MSBUILD and (trusty old) BUILD control files will just be there together.

Cheers,
Dave Cattley

You’re lucky - we need W2000 support as well! (Strangely, there were less issues on W2K than on XP for
mini-filters :P)
I’m with ya on the XP support.

Mark Roddy wrote:

I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
own thread.

I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
requirement.

Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
about having third party developers use these tools for driver
development.

Mark Roddy


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Kind regards, Dejan (MSN support: xxxxx@alfasp.com)
http://www.alfasp.com
File system audit, security and encryption kits.

> I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very own thread.

Actually, I think such thread belongs on NTTALK (which, btw, seems to be pretty quiet these days) anyway…

Anton Bassov

If you want me to see the feedback, don’t move it

d

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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 1:35 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE:[ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.

I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very own thread.

Actually, I think such thread belongs on NTTALK (which, btw, seems to be pretty quiet these days) anyway…

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Yeah, really.

Mm
On Sep 16, 2011 4:34 PM, “Doron Holan” wrote:
> If you want me to see the feedback, don’t move it
>
> d
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 1:35 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: RE:[ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to
adoption.
>
>> I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
own thread.
>
> Actually, I think such thread belongs on NTTALK (which, btw, seems to be
pretty quiet these days) anyway…
>
>
> Anton Bassov
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In general I do not use two different tool chains on the same source
code
base for the same product release. I do not want to have to worry
about the
differences in code generation between one compiler and another, or
the
complexity of having to deal with different build methods for
different
versions.

My current build system builds everything from user mode on down using
the same toolchain for all product versions. Currently, unless
compelled to do
otherwise, we will stick with the tools that can do that.

What would you have Microsoft do? For the new build environment to work
for you they’d need to hold on to XP and bring back support for W2K
(was it you that said you needed Windows 2000?). What if someone wants
support for NT4 too?

Upgrading to the new build environment while still maintaining the old
is going to hurt a bit, but IMHO that’s the price of progress.

James

Up until three days ago, XP was the most widely installed system on earth so
dropping support for that in a new build environment in my book is
considered *silly*.

Also, if anyone in MS is thinking that this is going to help the world to
faster upgrade to Win8, then he or she should think again. We need to
develop drivers according to demand and that’s it.

We need to support Win2K and WInXP as well so I’m little interested in this
new build environment. Hope that WinDbg will continue to work on Win8
targets without having to install a new VS.

I will pick out some new tools and features such as the new verifier but I
will try to avoid the new build environment to reduce the setup and
installation burden. . Fortunately there is still MmGetSystemRoutineAddress,
that will allow me to build single binaries that work on all OSes.
Personally I’m much more interested in new OS features than in a new build
environment.

Regards,

Daniel Terhell
Resplendence Software Projects Sp
xxxxx@resplendence.com
http://www.resplendence.com

“Mark Roddy” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very
> own thread.
>
> I can live with the added cost of the WDK and the clunky VS project
> management problems, and I am quite willing to revise my entire build
> system to work with msbuild, however the fact that I cannot build XP
> drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
> here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future. We build all of
> our drivers with an XP version, a Vista version and a Win7-x64
> version. Our customers buy our product because it supports Windows
> desktop releases from XP onward. I don’t think I’m alone in this
> requirement.
>
> Dropping XP is a show-stopping deficiency that should be addressed
> before the GA release of the Win8 build tools if Microsoft is serious
> about having third party developers use these tools for driver
> development.
>
>
> Mark Roddy
>

I don’t need w2k. The decision to drop xp is in my opinion rather
wrong headed. Out here one cannot build products without xp support,
so this creates a huge barrier to adoption of the new tools. Some
developers have a similar issue with w2k, but that installed base is
very small. The installed xp base is huge.

Mark Roddy

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:12 PM, James Harper
wrote:
>>
>> In general I do not use two different tool chains on the same source
> code
>> base for the same product release. I do not want to have to worry
> about the
>> differences in code generation between one compiler and another, or
> the
>> complexity of having to deal with different build methods for
> different
>> versions.
>>
>> My current build system builds everything from user mode on down using
>> the same toolchain for all product versions. Currently, unless
> compelled to do
>> otherwise, we will stick with the tools that can do that.
>>
>
> What would you have Microsoft do? For the new build environment to work
> for you they’d need to hold on to XP and bring back support for W2K
> (was it you that said you needed Windows 2000?). What if someone wants
> support for NT4 too?
>
> Upgrading to the new build environment while still maintaining the old
> is going to hurt a bit, but IMHO that’s the price of progress.
>
> James
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no thanks, right here is fine.

Mark Roddy

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, wrote:
>> I think while this issue has already been discussed, it needs its very own thread.
>
> Actually, I think such thread belongs on NTTALK (which, btw, ?seems to be pretty quiet these days) anyway…
>
>
> Anton Bassov
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I am supposed to support win2k as well.

Actually, the current situation is getting worse with each year, because
these days we have to support (de facto) 2k, xp, vista, 7 and 8 is about to
appear. If they will release 9 within 2-3 years it means 6 OS to support :slight_smile:

I guess you, like me, already got your hands on Windows 8 development
preview and tryed to install your drivers. Most of the code works well, even
under verifier. Which is an excellent news!


Volodymyr

“Maxim S. Shatskih” a écrit dans le message de
groupe de discussion : xxxxx@ntdev…
>> drivers means that I cannot incorporate the Win8 toolchain for use
>> here at Virtual Computer, for the foreseeable future.
>
> +100
>
> Here at StorageCraft we cannot even abandon w2k for now. So, 6001.18002.
>
> –
> Maxim S. Shatskih
> Windows DDK MVP
> xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>

> appear. If they will release 9 within 2-3 years it means 6 OS to support :slight_smile:

I think w2k will probably be dropped by most teams around the time of Win8 release.

And the picture is not this bad. The main difference is Vista+ and pre-Vista, with Vista being just a more buggy version of Win7 :slight_smile:

I guess you, like me, already got your hands on Windows 8 development

No.

Will wait till RC.


Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

> We need to support Win2K

According to what I know (from professional people who did the serious research), w2k was already dead in the US around 3 years ago. Very few customers were running it, and even among them, very few of them were deploying the new w2k machines.

But in non-US markets the things are different, especially if you will take the server SKUs - the next server after w2k was only in 2003.


Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

There are still w2k machines around in the States. Not many, but if your a
small shop, you can’t just tell them no.

Mm
On Sep 18, 2011 9:05 PM, “Maxim S. Shatskih” wrote:
>> We need to support Win2K
>
> According to what I know (from professional people who did the serious
research), w2k was already dead in the US around 3 years ago. Very few
customers were running it, and even among them, very few of them were
deploying the new w2k machines.
>
> But in non-US markets the things are different, especially if you will
take the server SKUs - the next server after w2k was only in 2003.
>
> –
> Maxim S. Shatskih
> Windows DDK MVP
> xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>
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Unfortunately we have “certified” systems running on W2K that our customers are not allowed to upgrade at all. I know it sounds strange, but US federal laws concerning elections-related software is very highly scrutinized and once written is nearly impossible to change without huge expenses. It wouldn’t be so bad if the coding standards imposed by the federal government ddn’t read like something out of a 1970’s-era WORST practices manual!

Greg

xxxxx@storagecraft.com wrote:

From: “Maxim S. Shatskih”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to adoption.
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:04:32 +0400

> We need to support Win2K

According to what I know (from professional people who did the serious research), w2k was already dead in the US around 3 years ago. Very few customers were running it, and even among them, very few of them were deploying the new w2k machines.

But in non-US markets the things are different, especially if you will take the server SKUs - the next server after w2k was only in 2003.


Maxim S. Shatskih
Windows DDK MVP
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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Back in the mid-1980s, when I worked at the Software Engineering
Institute, we were supposed to suggest how to improve the software process
for DoD. I didn’t see this, but some of my colleagues found places in the
1980s that were still required to create programs on *punched cards*,
because all their QA procedures were geared to procedures that involved
how the cards were punched, and then how they were collated into the
source, and how they were identified in change logs. These procedures
were *unalterable*; it didn’t matter that Sun was already producing
workstations, that most of the rest of us had been creating programs using
text editors like TECO and EMACS, since the late 1960s; their procedures
had been created in the 1950s and could not be changed at all.

A friend and I once worked at a major manufacturer of located in
. As we were creating 21st-century software, their build procedures
consistent of essentially concatenating card decks; they refused to use
#include in C. Instead, it was something like cat a.h b.h c.h d.h e.c >
program.c and then compiling program.c. What is truly scary is that they
are one of the leading producers of and there are thousands of
s out there whose software is built using 1950s techniques. My
friend’s goal, he stated, was to “drag their software methodology, kicking
and screaming, into the 1960s”.

I spent two years of my life trying to figure out why the most progressive
companies refused to do business with the Department of Defense. Or why
companies like TI used decade-old design software, two or more generates
behind their internal tooling, to build for DoD. It was simple: DoD at
that time required that all the software used be placed “in escrow”. Then
they would put the maintenance of the chip, or when required, the
“second source”, out for bid. A competitor could bid low (lower than
cost, even), but the result was they would get copies of all the software
used by the original creator. So major corporations would not place their
family jewel software in such a situation. When I told DoD “We’ve
idenfitied your problem with software acquisition and software quality:
you acquisition process” they said “But that would require that Congress
pass a new law allowing us to use modenr methodology” to which my reply
was “Well, we’ve identified theproblem; it’s up to you to solve it. If
it’s going to take an Act of Congress, then it would be a good idea to
start that process now. We’ve identified the problem; the solution is up
to you”.

It was also the case that by their requirements of massive design
documents, including such obsolete concepts as “flowcharts” (remember
those?), the acquisition process was so long that quite often by the time
the software was delivered, the machine on which it was supposed to
operate was no longer manufactured.

By comparison, something as straightforward as an electronic election
application being forced to live on something as modern as Win2K is
positively progressive!

Microsoft lives in a dream world in which, upon the latest release of
product X, they think the entire world will change overnight to use the
new version, and there is no attempt to make it possible to maintain these
older products. For that matter, if, five years out, someone actually
decides to move the implementation to the latest version, you can’t even
FIND the documentation for the old calls, so you have no idea what they
did, or what their parameters meant, so you can’t figure out what the new
calls should be. The cost of revalidating massive software systems
(largely because of the massive documentation requirements, established in
the 1950s when programs were a tiny fraction of the size of modern
programs) means that the slightest change is unrealistically expensive.

I know companies that have not moved from Office 2003 because the
retraining cost is far too high. Retraining literally THOUSANDS of
employees to use Word, Excel or PowerPoint effectively with the godawful
ribbon interfaces is completely infeasible. The Microsoft studies seem to
concentrate on how people who have never seen a computer can use the
products; it says nothing about how highly-experienced professionals can
make the transition effectively.

Governments work on 15-year acquisition cycles and 20-year maintenance
cycles. In computer years (or is it dog years?) this means that they are
almost always working on equipment that is prehistoric. What is amazing
is that they don’t require buggy whips for government-acquired cars.

I still saw MS-DOS based products in use when I taught at military bases,
and even scarier, a desire to keep the interfaces “MS-DOS compatible”,
e.g., prompting for input and getting things typed in (I used to teach GUI
programming to these people, and one of the constant questions was “How do
we issue a prompt and read the keyboard response to it?”)

If you think about it, the programming standards are essentially
late-1950s “best practice” and if someone has a new idea, there is an
insurmountable inertia to overcome to change anything. (Look at the Ada
specs: the language has horrible misfeatures because some General once
heard from a friend that thus-and-such a construct was unreliable; I was
involved in the Ada evaluation effort, and the specs were a joke; in many
cases they were mutually incompatible requirments, such as a need for
real-time response and a need for garbage collection)
joe

> Unfortunately we have “certified” systems running on W2K that our
> customers are not allowed to upgrade at all. I know it sounds strange,
> but US federal laws concerning elections-related software is very highly
> scrutinized and once written is nearly impossible to change without huge
> expenses. It wouldn’t be so bad if the coding standards imposed by the
> federal government ddn’t read like something out of a 1970’s-era WORST
> practices manual!
>
> Greg
>
> — xxxxx@storagecraft.com wrote:
>
> From: “Maxim S. Shatskih”
> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Win8 WDK: no XP support is a showstopping barrier to
> adoption.
> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:04:32 +0400
>
>> We need to support Win2K
>
> According to what I know (from professional people who did the serious
> research), w2k was already dead in the US around 3 years ago. Very few
> customers were running it, and even among them, very few of them were
> deploying the new w2k machines.
>
> But in non-US markets the things are different, especially if you will
> take the server SKUs - the next server after w2k was only in 2003.
>
> –
> Maxim S. Shatskih
> Windows DDK MVP
> xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>
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